When I first started to get into ‘tone’ and the whole ’sounding good versus playing every note you possibly can (or sometimes not, but think you can) within any given measure’ thing that I talk about so often here, I had no money. Well, in actuality, I was 19, complaining about the 100 dollar a month rent my parents made me pay them. Then you grow up, move out, start a life, get married, and you’re like…’Oh, that’s what it means to have no money.’ Which is also the reason for no children…ever. My gear is my children. I know, that sounds really heartless and un-American, but in actuality……no, it’s pretty heartless.
Anyway, at 19 years old, under the delusion that I had no money, but really wanting to get better tone and good gear, I ran across the whole idea of tubescreamer mods. See, the real difference between then and now was not money. It was that then, I was blown away by the fact that people could spend more than $50 on a pedal. Now I see anything under $300 as a screaming deal. That’s the difference.
So, back then, the boutique stuff was unacceptable at at least over $100, and the vintage stuff, such as the TS-808 from the ’70’s and ’80’s that I had heard so much about, was absolutely unacceptable at $500+. And, at least for now, (hehe), it still is. I’ll drop some money on some stuff, but not $500 on ‘do-one-thing’ overdrive pedals.

(I’ve seen these little things sold for upwards of $1,000. Ya. I really hope I never get to the level where I’m cool with that. I’m sure it sounds great, and it’s vintage-cool, but it only does one thing. Now, if they had put, like, a purple or white led in there…)
So, needless to say, the mod thing really hooked me. That I could buy a $20 pedal, and then a $5 mod kit, and sound exactly like the $500 pedal? And then, on top of all that, to have the inherent ‘cool’ factor of, ‘Oh, you paid how much for that? Ya…I mod my own.’ So blasted cool. So, I bought my first ever pedal (uh, besides the DOD ‘Grunge’ that I got my freshman year in high school), an Ibanez TS7 tubescreamer from the used bin (way cooler and more gear-junky-hip to get stuff from the used bin) at Guitar Center in Ontario for $20. And then I bought a mod kit on e-bay for $4.95, consisting of a NOS (supposedly) Texas Instruments RC4558 chip (the original 808 chip), two carbon comp resistors, and a photo-copied sheet of instructions on where to place the three components. I was so stoked.
And I asked my dad, who is way more technically-minded and skilled than I am, to show me how to solder and de-solder and all that stuff. I think he pretty much did the whole thing. But I was in heaven. I didn’t even bother to try testing my new modded one against a stock one, or to record the pedal before and after I modded it (or, uh, my Dad modded it). There was no need. I mean, the internet said the mods made it sound better. The internet! What more proof do you need than that? And then, of course, I started reading up more on mods, and found that Robert Keeley started his pedal business doing tubescreamer mods, and that he showed that his pedals were modded by replacing the stock led’s with sweet blue and white ones, so I decided that the ‘Verkade mods’ would be with green led’s, and I went and bought one, soldered it in, turned on the pedal, and waited to see the gloriousness that was my ‘I mod my own pedals’ led. And…uh…the led has never worked since. I even put the original led back in. Nothing. Yep. I am cool.

(Almost as cool as this. Almost. I’m not sure this level of cool has ever been reached. And am I really, really stretching it to tie in this picture to what I was talking about? The answer is yes. But the answer is always yes to ‘Chuck Norris action jeans’. Okay, come on. Go easy on me…I haven’t eaten in 9 days.
And if you missed the last post, no, that’s not because I’m all crazy-awesome spiritual and on a fast. Basically, I’m on a lemonade cleanse because I heard Brad Pitt does it. Wow, that sounds sad.)
But I got so into it…I even modded friends’ pedals, and thought about starting my own business. If nothing else, at least it honed my solder skills. At one time, I had four modded tubescreamers on my board. And then one day, I’m modding two tubescreamers for some friends, and my dad comes into the garage. And, as logic and reason usually go with being technically-minded, my father has always had much more of a grip on reality than his ‘dreamer-I’m-going-to-go-to-Hollywood-and-be-trying-out-a-guitar-in-a-boutique-shop-when-Daniel-Lanois-will-walk-in-and-marvels-at-my-3-note-melodic-genius-and-calls-Bono-and-Bono-says-ya-we’ve-been-getting-sick-of-Edge-and-I-play-Edge-rip-off-riffs-in-front-of-80,000-people-and-then-Jimi-Hendrix-walks-in-becase-he-wasn’t-really-dead-just-ashamed-at-the-lack-of-talent-in-music-these-days-and-starts-to-cry-at-the-majesty-of-my-anti-solo’ son. And my dad says, ‘Hey, what if you mod the first one, and then you can try the modded one against the stock one, and see if these mods actually do anything to the tone?’
And of course, I’m like, ‘Oh come on, Dad. Of course they sound better! I read this one thing on the internet…’ and so forth. But of course, my dad insists on using stupid ‘logic arguments’ like, ‘How do you know?’ and ‘Uh…the internet said?’, so I concede. And we get out a guitar and an amp, hook up the un-modded tubescreamer and the modded one, and actually (novel idea, I know) listen. And I’m hearing all kinds of differences. Like, the modded one is more ‘transparent’, and ‘breathes more’, and is ‘warmer’, and has more ‘note definition’. Then my dad asks me to close my eyes. And suddenly there is no difference. And I’m freaking out. Spitting out all the excuses that the ‘room is too small’, the ‘concrete on the garage floor is messing with the acoustics’, ‘we need to be at a higher volume to hear the nuances’, ‘I have ear fatigue right now’, etc.
But the lesson stuck with me, even though I probably (I don’t really remember) ran upstairs, called my friend Mike Huffman who had gotten me into tone, told him he was right, and proceeded to buy every boutique overdrive from him that he wasn’t using. Either that or that was when he said that I had passed the final test and was finally ready to be introduced to the magical secrets that were ‘The Gearpage’. (Ya, that was back in the day when it was almost like a secret society, and you only mentioned its existence to certain people.) But either way, I got into boutique pedals, liked them better than the one modded tubescreamer I kept, and kind of forgot about them. And then just recently, five or so years later, I started to wonder again about the mods…now that I have gotten into the habit of actually listening to the sounds I play and not the sounds the internet tells me.
So I decided to do this objectively, and in two parts.
Part 1: Professional Tubescreamer Mods
The Players
–Stock Ibanez TS9 (first run reissue, pre-2002)
–Analogman-modded Ibanez TS9 (TS-808 mod, plus silver mod)
–Keeley-modded Ibanez TS9 (TS-808 mod, plus baked mod, plus true bypass mod)
Possible Biases
Just look at the led on the Keeley. If that doesn’t bias you towards it, then you have no soul.
The Professional-Modded Tubescreamer Test:
Part 2: Home-Modded Tubescreamers
The Players
–Stock Ibanez TS7
–Home-modded Ibanez TS7 (by me) with RC4558 chip and two carbon comp resistors (and…um…an led that no longer works and a ‘Verkade TS-808 mod nameplate that I paid thirty dollars to have made back when I thought I was special)
Possible Biases
The modded one is my first pedal, and the one my father showed me how to mod on, so it does hold some sentimental value (hence, the reason I still have it).
The Home-Modded Tubescreamer Test:
The Conclusions
1) The mods are definitely for real. The Analogman took the TS9 stock sound and raised the level of response to picking, warmed it up a bit, and seemed to broaden its range. It seemed to fill up the tonal spectrum better, and just sounded exactly like a tubescreamer should. Nice, warm and clear, singing overdrive tones…great for leads. And the Keeley took it and just went to another place and level, giving a beautiful, clean, glassy mid to high gain overdrive sound. Really liked them both.
2) I am not Analogman Mike or Robert Keeley. So save up a little extra money and get a professional mod rather than buying a DIY kit on e-bay. The difference between the stock TS9 and the professional mods had way more of a difference than the stock TS7 and the DIY TS7 mod. Was there even a difference? lol
3) If you’re looking for an authentic, really warm, saturated, and cutting through vintage tubescreamer sound, I’d go with the Analogman mod. If you’re looking for something totally different, almost more in the glassy distortion, OCD-type range, I’d go with the Keeley. Both sounded great, but the Analogman sounded more like a really good tubescreamer, and the Keeley sounded more like a really good ’something else.’
And above all else, um…learn from my not-so-awesomeness and use your ears.
Splendid.
Karl.
I want to mention that the Baked mod is a special-to-itself mod that Keeley does.Not a TubeScreamer mod persay. It has a gain range (on a normal TS scale) of about 4 to 14— thus more gain than normal, and won’t clean up well. Its really only a TS base. I had it and the Analogman and after 2 Sundays, hated it.
My guitarist I gave it to, loved it. He now lives in TX and has been getting all “Pink Floyd” with it as he says.
Good job, Its great to hear everything back to back. I love my Analogman.
So… are you keeping a new Tubescreamer, did this trial sell you on one?
nice post! love the warmth of the AM-modded. from your demo, i think the keeley-mod sounded a little more modern sounding. i never owned a TS9/TS808 so my judgment is based solely on what i hear …
btw, no love for single-coils again?
and regarding your lemonade fast, i think i finally get it! you want to do it because you want to wear your action jeans again!
Like your blog, Karl.
thanks for taking the time to do this shootout.
I think they all sound pretty good through your rig, (great base tone) although youtube and computer speakers probably don’t do it justice.
A reader in snowy Canada
Don
ps-i smiled when you flubbed that chord, then left it for all to hear.
Larry–hehe No kidding!
I really liked the sound, though. Almost like the sound of a boost stacked before a tubescreamer. Very cool, and I love seeing innovation, especially as the market is flooded with clones and ‘modded to vintage specs’ clones right now. Of course, that being said, if you’re after the classic ts sound, the Keeley baked mod isn’t the one to get. Great sound, though!
And no, I’m not keeping a tubescreamer.
I tried out both the Analogman and the Keeley on my board for a few sets, and they just don’t do it for me in my rig. Nothing against tubescreamers, and a bunch of my guitar idols use them and get great tone out of them…guess they’re just not for me (this week, hehe) ).
Rhoy–Ah! Sorry, bro! You know, I’m trying to go ‘every other’ on the demos with single coils and humbuckers. I think I did the Zen ones with single coils. But I’m able to record longer than 4 minutes now, so you’re right, I might want to try switching guitars within the same video. I’ll try that next time with the trem one. Sorry!!
And ya, that’s the exact same impression I got from the AM and the Keeley.
(And sssshhh!! I’m trying not to let people know that I’m just trying to fit into my Chuck Norris jeans again. You figured it out!
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Don–welcome!! And thanks for the kind words. And ya…youtube compresses the living daylights out of their videos, so sometimes it’s hard to hear nuances. Hence, the reason for not doing ‘tone suck’ demos of pedal switches or things of that nature. Unless it was really bad, you’d never hear it! lol
And about that chord…I realized a long time ago that I am not the best guitarist on youtube, in my town, or even on this blog…so may as well not pretend to be. hehe
Anyway, it’s great to have you here!
Fabulous post Karl! Thanks for doing these side-by-side demos for those of us who may never get their hands on these pedals.
Keep up the good work!
Karl,
Nice post (As Usual). You know, I’ve got a custom made TS that I got from a guy that used to work for NASA and…..shhhh….the NSA in the mid 80’s (At least that’s what he told me.). Also have a Keeley modded Ibanez TS-808.
I kind of thought that if a Tube Screamer was good enough for Stevie Ray then it was good enough for me. Saw him in his last concert at Alpine Valley. Amazing musician and man.
Anyway, what I didn’t grasp at the time was that his tone was more tied to his hands, guitar and a pretty much melting tube amp than to any little green pedal.
My Tube Screamers, along with several other dirt pedals that I bought because somebody on the internet said they were the ultimate and weren’t, are in my storage area (Actually it could be called the “Hall of Shame”.) where I put (HIDE!) all of the pedals that I don’t currently use. Never could get a good “Church” tone out of a TS. Robert keeley is pretty cool though. Talked to him on the phone one day for about an hour before I bought his compressor and “Java Boost”. Sheesh!… do I ramble when heavily caffeinated.
Later
Mark
Praising God As Loud As They’ll Let Me!
Brent–no worries, brother! And a sincere thanks for the encouragement.
Mark–thanks, bro. I’ve so been in the same place. I don’t know why we guitarists always seem to go there when we first get into gear. Maybe its because we can afford them over guitars and amps? But ya, I was always chasing pedal after pedal to get the perfect tone before I realized, as you said, that all you need is a decent pedal that is fairly transparent if you have a killer amp and guitar. So interesting that we all seem to go there first. lol
And I’ve never talked with Keeley, but I do enjoy his stuff. Sounds like a great guy…or at least a gearhead.
I might have to try a Java Boost soon!!
What about that Boss SD-1 that you modded for me? You should do a shootout with that!
Karl,
A treble booster is a strange duck (And how would one know that a duck was strange?). I’ve run the Java Boost into my Orange Tiny Terror and with it’s eq adjustment flexibity, you can get tones reminiscent of early Queen, Zepplin and Sabbath. Into an old Fender Princeton, it reminds me of early ZZ Top. Nasty in your face tones. I’ve run it into the M (Marshall) & F (Fender) tone stacks on my Frenzel and got some interesting tones that will cut through any mix well. However, it won’t do it to it unless it’s is pusing a wound up amp or stacked into a dirt pedal. Right now, when gain is necessary, I’m going from a Blackstone Appliances overdrive into the Java Boost (To give it some extra hair.) and then to a Klon Centaur (Pretty much set to boost the preamp section of the amp with mild overdrive.). Of course, there are vibe, wah and delay effects mixed in there at the appropriate places. No one could have told that running those three pedals into each other would work but it does. For some of the Hillsong United stuff, I can sound like a wall of Marshalls coming out of a hot Strat bridge pickup and a 15 watt tube amp. Suuweet!
Mark
By the way, that’s a buffer at both ends of the pedal board signal chain. Never thought I would allow that either. Ran an AB box in front of everthing and checked between the pedal board signal and straight in. No tone loss. It’s a beautiful thing.
Argghh! Rambling again.
Eric–that’s a great idea! Do you still have that?!
Mark–wow, you’re really making me want to try a Java Boost!
And +1 on the AB with your pedalboard. That’s one of the best things you can do every time you change something on your board to make sure you’re not getting any tone suck. Good stuff!
FYI, Timeline’s are finally shipping. I ordered mine direct from the Damage Control website and it came this evening. I haven’t had a chance to play with it yet.
Congrats, bro!! Really hope you like it. At least in my humble opinion, it’s an excellent delay pedal.
And ya, I’m really glad to see Damage Control back on their feet as a company because they produce some great stuff. Maybe we can even start hoping for a Timeline 2, with a bpm readout……?
Great blog.
I got my tube screamer modded by JHS pedals. it has phenomenal tone and is a fraction of the price of keeley. i wrote a blog about JHS on my page. i have no affiliation with JHS, im just a satisfied customer. I love layering a modded tube screamer over a Fulltone Fulldrive 2, its great! Keep writting!
Hey Andrew,
Thanks for the kind words, and welcome! Glad you’re digging that tubescreamer! I’ll have to check out JHS mods. What’s your page, by the way? Anyway, great to have you here!
Cheers,
Karl