There is over an hour’s worth of delay here. Overkill? In one way, yes. But in another way, a way I like to call the right way, it is not overkill at all. How can the best thing that ever happened to us (namely, delay) be overkill? (And by ‘us’, I of course mean ‘humanity’.) But I’ve been getting asked to do this post for about a year now…(we’ll just call it an ‘annual’ post…that makes no sense contextually, but it makes me feel better for being so tardy on this, and I like what makes me feel better)…so perhaps I recorded so much of it because I was sub-consciously trying to make amends for taking so long to get these out. Or maybe I was just self-indulgently adoring the afore-mentioned best thing to ever happen to the species. Any species. Yep, that’s the one.
So here is the 6 Part, 10 piece video series, Using Delay in Modern Music.
Clean Tone
Prairiewood Les Paul (Wolfetone Dr. Vintage pickups) in all 3 pickup positions, including coil-tapped at times–>
Loop-Master bypass box (various overdrives are engaged through this)–>
Loop-Master bypass box (various delays and effects are engaged through this)–>
Matchless HC30 (first video only is a Holland AC30)–>
65 Amps birch cab (Celestion Blue & Celestion G12H-30)
Delay Players
–Damage Control Timeline (2)
–Diamond Memory Lane
–Arion SAD-1
Other Players
At various times in the videos, other sounds are made by:
–Hartman Germanium Fuzz
–Hermida Mosferatu (12 volts)
–Paul Cochrane Tim (12 volts)
–Subdecay Quasar phaser
–Dr. Scientist Tremolessence
–George Dennis active volume pedal
–a door opening and closing, my email telling me someone loved me, and probably some things vibrating in the little apartment office I record these in
And Using Delay in Modern Music:
Video 1: Analog Delay
The different uses for a normal, 250-300 millisecond analog delay. Arion SAD-1 is responsible for all the sounds you hear. And…sadness…this is the very last demo the Holland had a part in. I recorded this one video all the way back in April, and then for some reason just got back around to finishing this project now. So goodbye, sweet Holland.
Video 2a & 2b: Untimed Digital Delay
The different uses for a normal digital delay, without tap tempo, and without multiple settings. A Damage Control Timeline is responsible for all the sounds you hear, and another Damage Control Timeline is responsible for the looping.
Video 3a, 3b, & 3c: Timed Multi-Setting Digital Delay
Apologies…the most self-indulgent…or…uh…Edge-indulgent (I like to think of The Edge as myself at times) of the videos. These ones display the different uses for a multi-setting digital delay that has the ability to be timed on the fly (has tap tempo).
Video 4a & 4b: Using Delays In Conjunction with Each Other & with Other Effects
The ways in which delays can be cascaded into each other and into other effects.
Video 5: Demo of Cascading Delays.
Ya, what the title said.
Video 6: Demo of Ambient Looping Delays
Aye.
And there you have it. Lots and lots of delay. Like I said in the last video I talk in, this isn’t even close to the depth of what delay can do. But hopefully it’s a start to sparking your own creativity to using this as a great tool to augment your sound, mind, tone, and technique. Sure, I joke about loving delay a lot, and most of it is true, but in all seriousness this is a tool. One that can help your mind and hands create sonic textures that you otherwise couldn’t. But the point is to be creating with it, sometimes to let it create with you, but always for the sake of the music as a whole.
And apologies to those of you who requested this last month, and six months ago, and last year, to which I always responded, ‘Oh ya! They’ll be out next week.’ I’m sorry I’m a liar.
Delay. (Interchangeable with ’splendid’.)
Karl.
P.S.
Wow! Thanks so much, Karl!
I don’t have time right now to watch it all, but judging from the first vid, I’m looking forward to the rest. Hopefully learn some more about delay.
Thanks so much for taking the time to put this together, and share what you’ve learned, Karl.
Wow… of course this comes out when I have to leave in 20 min for work. Geeesh… looking forward to watching these tonight brother!
BTW, is it bad of me that I watched the Out-take first? LOL
Awesome,
this is great stuff, I learned a lot. You really should think about doing an instrucional dvd on how to use effects (and especially delay), really. I don’t know if a dvd is profitable, but you really should get money for all this.
cheers
ben
Wow. I’m gonna have to sit down and watch these. Some good stuff there Karl. I agree with Ben. Some could be used in a modern instructional DVD.
Great Job!
Wicked post man!
You should consider forwarding along to DC Engineering. This is a great showcase of the versatility of the Timeline.
Cheers.
James–no worries, bro! Sorry it took so long! hehe
Don–no problem. Figured I was gonna be playing with some delay all day anyway, may as well film it. lol
Larry–haha Absolutely not! That’s the one I’m guessing will get the most views out of any of them. lol
Ben–thanks for the kind words. Hmm. A dvd sounds great, although I’m not sure I have the funding to make the packaging look anywhere near professional, though. haha I’ll look it into!
Nate–thanks, bro. I’ll see what I can do about an instructional dvd. I might have to act more professional on it then I’m used to acting in these videos, though. haha
Brent–thanks, man. The guys from Damage Control have been very complimentary on my Timeline demos, so if these can help them out as well, then awesome! It’s actually really cool to meet guys in the industry who aren’t jerks. lol
For someone just learning about effects, this has been great!
I would be more than happy to donate to a paypal account if you were to put a link up!
k. timeline question of the day. if you don’t want to get a midi cotroller is it easy to change presets on the fly on it?
Gtr1ab–glad you’re enjoying it!
Cheers, bro!
James–ya, I just started a ‘donate’ page last week, as this site has kinda gotten out of my control a bit, and takes the time almost of another full-time job. Although you gotta just copy and paste my paypal address into the paypal site, because I couldn’t get the link/logo thing to actually work. I promise, if anyone actually donates, I’ll use some of the money for computer lessons. lol
But glad you’re enjoying the post. It was fun to put together.
RyanJ–wish I didn’t have to say this, but…nope. Without an external midi pedal, you can only change between two presets without reaching down and switching a knob to give you access to the next two presets. And you lost the ability to tap tempo when in preset mode without a midi pedal. However, the $60 Tech 21 Midi Mouse also works great with this pedal, and doesn’t take up much board space at all.
I haven’t even worked through all the videos and I love them already! these are awesome! I’ve got tons of work to do so I can’t “sit around” and play with the pedals as much as I would like to…so before I blast you for not having a “real job”, I’ll just say thanks! See how humble and nice I am?
really…great great great!
Robin
Robin–lol Thanks for the kind words! And if I had a real job, then I couldn’t just sit around and make delay videos all day, right? haha Cheers!
Quick question: where is your volume pedal in your chain? Sometimes it seems like it’s at the end, sometimes it seems like it’s before the delays.
Also, absolutely incredible, man. I’ve always been amazed at the amount of control you have over delay, and I can really see a lot of the sounds you’re making just creating a great mood for reflection. Also, I don’t have a ton on my board yet, but the versatility of those Timelines are just amazing! Now if only I could justify the price tag…
Hey, Ben. My volume pedal is in the middle of my effects, after my phase and trem (and of course my od’s), and before all my delays and modulations.
And thanks for the kind words.
Those Timeline’s are pretty special. I got lucky and got them for good deals used before they were so popular.
I want my Diamond back! And I don’t want to lose the Timeline for it
I was forced to sell the Reverberator today
My botiquest looking pedal ever is sadly now gone.
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=607233&highlight=scientist
Ah, bummer, bro! That pedal does look amazing. It’s even got the cool indie stick figure drawings. hehe But hey…you’re getting your Memory Lane back!
I just picked up a Memory Lanes with a dotted 8th mod. I may or may not have overpaid, but I won’t be selling it this time, LOL. I’m looking forward to having it! Now I can be a multiple delay guy like you
Score!! And buying more delays is definitely the point of these videos. lol I’m kinda serious, which is worse. hehehe And I saw a ML with the dotted 8th mod recently. It doesn’t happen to be blue, does it? If it is, I might have owned that one at one time.
LOL, it totally is. Was this it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270462172015&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_720wt_1045
What did you think of the dotted 8th feature?
Oh my goodness, I just stumbled upon your blog. I think that we may have been separated at birth. I spent hours today reading tons of your posts (but not in a stalker kind of way, I haven’t plastered the walls of my bedroom with you picture…yet). I laughed out loud soooo many times and I think that you and I have almost the same amount of obsession over tone.
Where to start? I read buffers and loopers, have you tried a Carl Martin octoswitch? Delay is the ulimate effect and should be on 90% of the time in P&W. The edge rocks, Lincoln also is pretty good.
I live in Australia, grew up in Canada, spent too many years in England, play in a church where we do mostly hillsongs and planetshakers, I actually get to play solos (if they are on the recordings) and we rarely have to play anything older than 2003. If you don’t know planetshakers, it’s a church based out of Melbourne and the newer stuff is better than the old.
My current church rig is either 92 Strat plus deluxe (the one with the lace sensors) or my new vox virage SC into an M13 into my miced Fender champ, which I can crank even though it’s a smallish room. I have been lusting after a mesa boogie mark V. I am not a metal guy and never really liked boogies but this one is so versatile and I really like the clean channels. Have you tried one yet?
Anyway, this is too long for a reply but you’ll be hearing more from me!
Oh and I forgot, have you had a chance to play with an eventide timefactor or a carl martin delayla? Your thoughts?
James–haha That is totally it! It even has the extra expression jack, too. Right on! Man, the economy has gone down! I sold that thing a few years ago for over $500.
I actually sold it because I had bought too much gear that month, and not enough food (lol), and I never used the dotted 8th feature, because the pedal was too lush and warm for the dotted 8ths to come through as crisp as I would have liked. I always just used my T-Rex Replica at the time for dotted 8ths. So I sold it, and bought a regular Memory Lane, and then used the difference for food. hehe
However, that was a good long time ago when my rig was very, very warm, but not so clear. I’ve often thought that should I pick up another ML with the dotted 8th feature now, with my current rig, it’d come through a lot better.
Man, that pedal looks so cool!
Mark Colvin–right on! Stoked you found the blog, and always great to talk with another worship guitarist gearhead! haha Great points on delay.
I think I tried the Octaswitch at a shop one time, and I remember being more impressed than I thought I would be. Carl Martin is making some good stuff, and for decent prices, too.
Liking the 92 strat, bro! As for Boogie, I like their older stuff, and the Lonestar. People sometimes forget that before they were a metal amp company, they were one of the first boutique amp companies in the ’80’s. Some of that old stuff sounds really good!
And I’ve yet to try the DeLayla, but I have owned a Timefactor, and didn’t really dig it. The delayed sounds were good, but (at least in my humble opinion) you could really hear it taking all the weight and dynamics out of your dry signal as it converted it with the A/D D/A converters. So I ended up selling it. But that’s just me. A lot of people dig it, and that’s cool!
Anyway, great to meet you, welcome, and hope to chat more!
In Christ,
Karl
I just finished my first rehearsal with the Memory Lane, and I’m so in love with it. It’s so easy to use! I don’t know what the difference is, really, because it’s not like the Timeline has all these weird controls or anything, but it’s easier for me to get the right sound out of the Memory Lane. So now I have that great analog sound AND that great, crystally digital sound! So happy!
Right on and absolutely! The Memory Lane is still my go-to delay…the one I turn on when stuff just isn’t jiving. I know the Memory Lane will not disappoint! Stoked for you, bro. Mmm…Timeline and Memory Lane. hehe
Hey Karl, just got done watching the first couple videos. Awesome as usual. I eventually want to get more than one tap delay (right now just a dd-20), I’ve heard that you get unnecessary repeats and feedback from putting one delay directly into another as opposed to splitting the signal before hand and then either running them in stereo or recombining the signals. So instead of a dotted 8th delaying a quarter note you get two more unaltered versions recombined. I hope that kind of made sense. Have you ever experimented with that kind of set up?
Great point, Ben! Running two independent delays will give a completely different sound than running them into each other. Personally, I like the way they delay each other. But you can get some great clarity from running each delay into its separate amp. I used to do that. However, I ran into a lot of trouble with sound guys not knowing what to do with it, and also some hum issues if you give each amp enough power from two different sources, and not enough power to each amp if you run off the same source.
As for splitting it and then re-coupling it, I’m not a huge fan of how that sounds. Somehow it always sounds slightly off to me. But others might do this, and totally rock it! It could be just me. hehe
So, since I like the sound of delays into each other anyway, I figured I’d stick with that until Coldplay calls and I can afford tons of amps and power! lol
I assume you have seen this, but on the off chance you have not, prepare to be impressed
I have seen that, but not for a long time! Thanks a bunch. Ya, that guy definitely knows his stuff. Great sounds! Dare I say a bit digitally, though? lol I’ll get railed for that for sure, probably! So I’ll preface it by saying that I probably could not get all the sounds this guy is getting. Maybe that’s the digital/tone tradeoff.
He’s also a much smoother player than I am. Yikes, I hate it when people are better than me. hehehe
I was checking out some of this guys other vids and he has a wide array of gear. Everything from rack gear to stomp boxes. The particular vid I was watching was his samples of “Streets with no name” using several different delay pedals. Interesting vid for sure… This guy is on a serious tone search.
I want to think that if we limit our tone world to just certain types of gear or amps that is exactly what we are doing…limiting… We should be open to using all available technology for the guitar. Aren’t we as a group tired of trying to catch up with the world of keyboards when it comes to tones? They have so many choices… Hence the constant changing of gear… As a long time guitar player I have seen our effects world change dramatically… all to go after that “classic” tone.
Here is a thought… maybe it’s time to grab a guitar and plug it direct into an amp… and work on the tone that comes out of our hands…
Gee, that guy is OK! some of his other vids are rather good! Mothers of the disappeared is very clever… With alot of non-boutique pedals
Sal–good point on not limiting ourselves. There is a ton to learn out there!
However, I would say that I do try to limit myself to gear that I think sounds good. hehe Nothing wrong with digital, except that some of them sound a little sterile and ‘digitally.’ Nothing wrong with analog, except that some of them sound too dirty and ‘analog-y.’ hehe There is a lot of ground to cover out there, but I’m under the impression that we can sound good while covering that ground. I’m one of those guys who’d rather not play a certain sound than have a sub-par version of that sound. Like when a keyboardist tries to do a brass part. There are certain instances where I think it’s just better not to have the part. hehe I guess it all comes down to preference, and where each of us personally finds the balance between tone and versatility.
And as to your thought about plugging the guitar straight into the amp……I’m not sure I understand. So……the guitar can actually go into the amp…without pedals in between? I don’t follow.
hehe Cheers, brother! And I jest, but you are correct…plugging straight in can do wonders for your hands’ tone. Great comment!
Cam–cool, I’ll have to check that out. Although this particular video here seems to have some expensive stuff. Maybe not ‘handmade in the Swiss Alps boteek’ stuff, but definitely expensive. hehe
I forgot to mention that this post is an awesome one… I am still going thru your vids
Sal, thank for the kind words on the post. I’m just glad it can be of a little bit of help and interest to a few people.
Cheers!
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How is it that between the Holland and the Matchless, your tone seems to sound so similar?! Well maybe a bit thinner and brighter on the Matchless.
None the less! Great vid, learned a lot.
Any reason for you to stay with the SAD-1 instead of the Replica?
BTW I still love the replica. I put the replica in front of DD-5 and I keep the replica on slower repeats and it sounds so good. I only kick in the DD-5 when I do dotted eighth and more ambient sounds. But DD-5 doesn’t sound very crisp and clean I want to say about 10 shades muddier than the Replica.
Any recommendations on a stand alone digital delay with tap tempo?
Thank you for the great work you do Karl !
Thanks for the kind words! As for delays, the Timeline replaced the Replica because to my ears, it sounded just as good, but with more tonal options and of course, presets. I kept the SAD-1 because I need a good simple analog delay at the end of my chain for when I do swells.
As for a standalone digital delay (and I’m assuming you mean a nice, simple and straight-forward one), I’d say you’re right there with the Replica. The Timeline is great if you need more options, but just for simplicity, not much sounds better than the Replica, in my humble opinion.
As for the amps, I think they sound so similar one, because the Holland was based a little bit on the Matchless circuit and they have almost the same tube complement. Secondly, I’m using the same guitar with both amps, and I’m of the mindset that the guitar has the most to do with your tone. And thirdly, I think unfortunately, no matter what I play, I’ll always end up sounding a little bit like me. lol
Have you tried the Empress Super delay?
Not yet. I’m not a huge fan of how the presets are set up, so I’d probably end up sticking with the Timeline, unless the Empress just blew me away in terms of sound quality. So, I want to try it, but I need to find a price on one that allows me to sell it and not lose any money.
Any tips? Cheers!
i’m gas’ing for the new Nova Repeater as my 2nd delay pedal for the .8ths/triplets and keep my diamond ml for my primary analog delay goodness. i’m close to keeping my promise of not buying gear for this year … 2 more months! c’mon 2010, so i can get a new delay
have you heard/know someone who has the Repeater?
Sorry about that first message, it was supposed to be longer and less anonymous. Haha.
I don’t have any tips on price since it goes for $300-$400. If you did get one, I’d get the Proguitarshop signature version. It’s modded to make it sound more like a tape delay.
I haven’t played the Repeater, but I do have the Nova Delay, which is supposed to be the same processing, just slightly different controls and presets. And I must admit, I really like it. It of course doesn’t compare to anything like the Replica or Timeline, but of all the modeling pedals, I like it the best. The controls work, but they are subtle (which is good for me, as I tend to overdo things). It’s small (yes, that is important) and it sounds good. Ease of use is not that great, but compared to its competition, its great. So, for me, it fits in the current delay-sized hole. That is until I have money to fill the hole even better.
Rhoy–wow, I can’t believe you’ve kept that promise this far! Props to you, brother. Gear Page spree January 1st, right? haha
I’ve not tried the Repeater, but the Nova is a very decent sounding delay. I love that you’re keeping the Memory Lane, though. I do the same thing…ML for analog, Timeline’s for all the digitally stuff.
Joel–nice. From my limited time with it, and from what others have said, it seems that the Nova is great for the price. I’m usually shot for saying this, but for the price, I also think the DD20 is highly underrated.
Rhoy: I’ve got the repeater. awesome stuff, very tweakable sound. i definitely recommend it! especially if you don’t need the nova delay’s presets. i used a nova delay for a bit, and just didn’t use the presets. when i got the nova repeater, i definitely liked the layout better, as well as the tone control, as you’ve probably heard about
Seth–haha ‘and less anonymous.’ Quote of the day right there! Ya, the ‘vintage modded’ one looks better too, hehe. Soon, hopefully the price will drop into re-sellable territory, and then we’ll have to do a huge delay shootout!
Matthewdanielng–ah, nice! Thanks for lending your experiences on that, seeing as mine are quite limited. hehe Sounds like a killer delay!
Haha thanks. Awesome! Maybe then I’ll have video evidence as to why my bank account is empty.